tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5026869257529481970.post773339443415269083..comments2023-12-02T05:56:57.304-05:00Comments on Biblical Studies and Technological Tools: Greek Syntax Search using Logos: Article & Prepostional PhraseMGVHoffmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13984044532444865131noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5026869257529481970.post-9359528155467540392008-02-25T19:22:00.000-05:002008-02-25T19:22:00.000-05:00(I've posted this at mine too)I agree that the par...(I've posted this at mine too)<BR/><BR/>I agree that the participle is the key term - it is what the article is substantizing to function as a noun. But I still don’t think Opentext’s analysis is correct. I simply see how you can split a Noun Phrase like that. The prepositional phrase is functioning in the traditional attributive position of the adjective - i.e. within the bounds of the article as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5026869257529481970.post-50074346921483753982008-02-25T18:24:00.000-05:002008-02-25T18:24:00.000-05:00(I posted this on your blog too, Mike.)Hmmm.... I ...(I posted this on your blog too, Mike.)<BR/>Hmmm.... I see now what you were doing, Mike. You weren't really asking about function at all. You are really just doing a string search for<BR/>Article (conjunction) Preposition<BR/>In the example you give of Eph 4:24, however, the OpenText coding does actually make sense to me. The participle is really the key term in this word group, and the article does simply specify it. With this coding, I can look for instances where a noun/participle is specified by an article with an intervening prepositional phrase.<BR/>BTW, I used BibleWorks to search for every instance of<BR/>Article (conjunction)Preposition<BR/>and I came up with 521 hits in 481 verses. It does miss instances (like Matthew 2:16) where there are technically two occurrences in the verse.MGVHoffmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13984044532444865131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5026869257529481970.post-82700960881108949642008-02-25T17:37:00.000-05:002008-02-25T17:37:00.000-05:00Actually, I've found more than that now...and I've...Actually, I've found more than that now...and I've documented it<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://evepheso.wordpress.com/2008/02/25/the-greek-article-preposition/" REL="nofollow">The Greek Article & Preposition </A><BR/><BR/>I blame it on Opentext.org's tagging. So both your searches are correct. Rick represented my original statement. You answered the newsgroup user's question. But because of Opentext's tagging, my extras are not recognized by Opentext since my search technically wasn't a true syntax search.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5026869257529481970.post-50719305275936821032008-02-25T16:56:00.000-05:002008-02-25T16:56:00.000-05:00Aha! Now we know where the 484 comes from. Thanks,...Aha! Now we know where the 484 comes from. Thanks, Mike. It looks like Rick understood your search correctly in that either substantival or adjectival articular prepositional phrases were being considered. I come up with around 300, so your 484 number does seem high.MGVHoffmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13984044532444865131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5026869257529481970.post-84843903693020442562008-02-25T15:53:00.000-05:002008-02-25T15:53:00.000-05:00I have a feeling that the original number of 484, ...I have a feeling that the original number of 484, came from me, in this post:<BR/><A HREF="http://evepheso.wordpress.com/2008/02/10/predicative-and-attributive-adjectives/" REL="nofollow">Predicative & Attributive Adjectives </A><BR/><BR/>My focus was simply prepositional phrases that were introduced by the article. Though its interesting what different search have come up with.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com